well, we need somebody with vigor and with energy. we need someone who can carry this out. we need someone who can relate to the church around the world. what languages can they speak? certainly the spoke would need to speak italian. you would need somebody, hopefully who could speak english and spanish as well. so there is a lot of characteristics both about spiritually and just on a pure human level. jenna: a lot of names being tossed out there. any thoughts about who would be the next pope? >> oh, that's, that's a fool's guess in some ways. i mean i think there are certainly some cardinals who have experience at the vatican. there are some, you know, some have mentioned some italian cardinals as well. jenna: is it time for an american? because cardinal dolan, a lot of people have been talking about him. does it seem like now's the time? >> well i think cardinal dolan would be a party for the church. and he would bring a lot of joy but i think it is extremely unlikely there would be an american for various reasons. i think it more likely will be somebody from europe or fr